"You win the game"

[lyrebird]

A number of the new cards have:

"If X, then you win the game".

Which is a 'bit' unfair on people out of range. Since most of these cards are either "At the beginning of your Upkeep...." or Sorceries, the card could be played as:

" If X, then target opponents(in range) lose the game".

The only three addendums are:

Darksteel Reactor and The Cheese stands Alone - These can be made "Beginning of Upkeep" dependant victory conditions.

Celestial Convergence could be played " All players affected by Celestial Convergence lose the game. This does not apply to player(s) on the highest life total".

Of course players may not wish to change these rulings. I will include one of these mean-spirited cards in my deck in that case.

"Keith, you have to attack to win" -not!

Discussion Welcome

Lyrebird

[cleverfellow]

Well, Darksteel Reactor is not a 'x, you win the game' card at all. By itself all it does is make itself indestructible. You can still remove it from the game.

As to the other cards. They've been around for a number of years now. The Cheese Stands Alone is a non-starter, as it is silver-bordered and therefore not playable at melee.

That leaves only a cycle of enchantments from the Judgment set (released 2002). I have the white, green, and black versions. They are, as you said all 'at the beginning of your upkeep...' cards.

If you have filled the condition when you play them, you don't win straight away. That leaves four players around the table the opportunity to either prevent you from fulfilling the condition at the start of your next upkeep, or simply destroying the enchantment.

I hadn't really seen this is a problem, mainly because they've never hit the table. I used the green one in a deck last year, but it never hit the table before I died. I did have the condition filled though - I controlled 20 or more creatures.

For those not familiar with the cards in questions, here are some links:

magiccards.info/ju/en/112.html

magiccards.info/ju/en/29.html

Don't recall the names of the others, and the search on the site is broken.

[shags]

I don't think it's a problem.

[lyrebird]

I think I've been "tasked" .

Refer 1. Chealkey or 2. Wrath of Khan.



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PS:

"If you have filled the condition when you play them, you don't win straight away. That leaves four players around the table the opportunity to either prevent you from fulfilling the condition at the start of your next upkeep, or simply destroying the enchantment".


Pretty sad when you're depending on 4 players who didn't think it was important to put an anti-enchantment card in their deck.

[cleverfellow]

lyrebird said:

I think I've been "tasked" .

Pretty sad when you're depending on 4 players who didn't think it was important to put an anti-enchantment card in their deck.

Yes, but that's their choice, isn't it? I don't see it as any different than being killed by Underworld Dreams because you didn't put any Disenchants in your deck, or dying to an artifact creature because the only removal you took was Terror.

There are multiple cards that deal with enchantments, from simple Disenchants, to Boomerang or even a counterspell.

Having said that I would not like to be three spaces down from the person about to win via Epic Struggle while the muppets around them ask what Disenchant does.

If people feel such cards should be banned we could have a vote at December to ban them for melee in 2008.

[shags]

I think I was the only person to every try and win with it (mind you it was with reactor) and it made me such a huge target that I had to do all I could to stay alive.

I don't think it will be a problem until it happens. There are usually too conditional to do well in a melee.

Most I believe (except for darksteel reactor) have to go through one of your upkeeps dont they?

[cleverfellow]

Yes they do, you have to meet the condition at the beginning of your upkeep.

[shags]

Means other people around the table will have a chance to react in the next turn.